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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
RCO wrote:


ok everyone agree's that impaired driving is a problem but harassing people with breathalizer tests or face a criminal record for refusing them . is really over the top and seems to target the wrong people


I'm not sure how this mess will be figured out , its certain to face legal challenges but those could take years to make there way thru the courts . in the meantime , how many average Canadians are going to have to endure unfair breathalizer tests and criminal charges over this law


another case of what were the people in Ottawa thinking?


Is impaired driving such a big problem? First of all, they moved the goalposts on drunkenness once again. In the beginning, the law was made tough to deter drinking and driving. The test? Walking a straight line, touching one's nose, etc -- actual on-the-spot tests of coordination, etc. Then it evolved. Drunkenness became a number on a machine. It was set to go off at the level where there was the start of genuine impairment due to alcohol, much lower than previously (when drunk driving was a problem). But that number has been lowered again! A glass of white wine drunk an hour before leaving the reception can now be defined as "impaired".

What was it like before marijuan? Let me tell you ... I went to a big dance at the Brant Inn in the early 60ies. No alcohol officially. But the Inn served ice cubes, tonic water, water, ginger ale, potato chips, etc and every male in the place came with a 26-er of hard alcohol. Trust me, everyone who left that dance at 1 am was drunk as a lord, and several of them staggering drunk ... and they drove! That's what drinking in Ontario was like in the 1950ies.

How many people did the coppers pick up at the Christmas drinking season? Only a tad above 1000 in the whole of the year in the whole of the GTA. (That's millions of person/days, for the idiot's information). Over the Christmas-New Years drinking season, they only arrested 170! They say that was over the 'holiday season' -- say 15 days -- which would be about 11 a day! At a standard of impairment that is almost absurdly low.

Before marijuana, you could stop 20 cars and get 11 impaired drivers in the Christmas season. OK, maybe you'd have to stop a few more, the cops would have to see you weaving to stop you. They normally laid a "impaired driving" charge only after a drunk got in an accident. RIDE patrols came later.

I am older than you guys and I remember when drinking and driving was a genuine problem when there were half a dozen people being killed every 'holiday season' ... that plan was a success. This is overkill. Why can't the coppers be satisfied with this? Is it because trying to stop the real crime is too dangerous?



well true I don't think there has been any sort of increase locally in terms of impaired driving , in fact there seems to be less charges in the local papers than other years


there also seems to be less bars locally , perhaps more restaurants that serve alcohol but much less actual bars than there used to be


and the people that go to these places are pretty responsible , there is taxi services available in most areas


no I don't think there is a crisis locally in terms of impaired driving , certainly not one that would justify taking people's basic legal rights away and performing random breathalizer tests on people
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So ... what's the real reason? That's the thought that occurs.
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